"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." - Lenin
When the Soviet Union was officially dissolved in 1991, Margaret Thatcher declared "Ronald Reagan won the Cold War without firing a shot." For a time this victory cry appeared to be a statement of the obvious: The Warsaw Pact fell apart and its non-Russian members lined up to join NATO, East Germany merged with the West, formerly "socialist" East Europeans voted in militantly capitalist leaders (many of them businessmen with US ties), and even the last-ditch attempt to hold the Soviet republics together, the CIS, began to disintegrate.
CIA-engineered "colored revolutions" swept through the former socialist world, starting in Serbia and continuing through Georgia, Ukraine, and Kyrgzstan. The ring of NATO bases tightened around Russia, while Russia itself collapsed under the rampant corruption, looting, and the dismantling of social services sponsored by US-backed tyrant Boris Yeltsin, the sleazy drunkard whose tanks shelled the Russian parliament. Russians died like flies from hunger and disease (the increased mortality under Yeltsin was on the scale of a major war), their children begged and sold drugs, highly-educated Russians debased themselves by turning to crime and prostitution to survive, and Russian men and women with PhD's were forced to work as janitors and nannies in Turkey and Iran.
Yet today, 15 years later, Thatcher's gloating victory proclamation seems as premature as Bush's "Mission Accomplished" of May 2003, and has all the potential of turning out to be just as pyrrhic. The Western media wurlitzer is blaring round-the-clock about "the return of dictatorship" in Russia these days (although they don't use the C-word yet) since Putin effectively undercut the attempts of pro-western zionist oligarchs to buy their way into power, while the FSB cut short the recent highly entertaining machinations by British "intelligence" to control Russian NGO's with an electronic rock.
Today it is not the "loser" of the Cold War that is bogged down in the Afghan quagmire but the so-called "winners," who have to deal with the Iraqi quagmire as well, not to mention Iran's nukes for which they allowed their Pakistani jihadi protégés to sell the critical technology to the ayatollahs.
The "winner's" woes don't stop there. Russia, which was supposedly "bankrupted" by the cold war, looks on with amusement at the basket-case US economy on the verge of financial collapse, the government of the so-called superpower unable to provide even disaster relief to its citizens, who were left to die as the whole world watched during the hurricane season.
Russia continues to perform solidly and reliably in space despite the dire financial straits that its aerospace sector was forced to navigate while the "superpower's" NASA staggers through one humiliating disaster after another. Today, Russia not only keeps the International Space Station running, of which it built the major part, with its fully automated Progress cargo ships and its Soyuz spacecraft, but it ferries most of the world's satellites into orbit. Its launchers are now part of the European space program and starting in 2007 they will take off from France's Kourou launch site as well as from Baikonour space center. ESA is not only using Russian launchers and Soyuz craft for its missions, it is planning to participate in the Kliper reusable maneuverable reentry vehicle as well (when it finds the money).
Civilian aerospace is not the only area where Russia performs its technological and scientific magic. In the post-9-11 world where countries feel increasingly threatened by US unilateralism and disregard for international law, high-grade Russian military hardware provides affordable and reliable security. Russia is today the world's second largest arms exporter despite fact that it still has only a fraction of the development and manufacturing capital available to its rivals. Exports have increased 15-fold between 2002 and 2005.
President Putin has said that he sees Russian arms sales not primarily as a source of income but as a way of spreaading Russian influence. Indeed, major arms sales in today's world are intricate politico-economic deals, requiring a minimum level of confidence between the buyer and the seller in each others' political intentions. Countries who fall out of favor with their suppliers, like Iran after the fall of the Shah, or Venezuela today, find themselves unable to procure spare parts or upgrades for their complex weapons systems. Putin's Russia with its non-confrontational international relations based on respect for the law and national sovereignty, is seen as a more reliable arms supplier than the US.
There is probably no greater indicator of this than that Russia and China are now each others' main arms trading partners, as well as being strategic allies, after having lived for decades with their nuclear missiles pointed at each other. Equally if not more surprising is the fact that Russia has become Israel's second biggest partner in military technology, and among the clients of Russo-Israeli military products is none other than NATO member and long-time fatihful US ally Turkey, which has canceled an order for 142 Bell-Textron attack helicopters in order to consider the Kamov-Israeli Aircraft Industry KA-50, one of the best attack choppers in the world ( the best being the KA-52).
Unlike the US, which sells offensive weapons to notoriously aggressive states like Israel and Pakistan and has just opened the gates for nuclear proliferators by rewarding India for ignoring the nuclear noproliferation treaty while simultaneously preparing to bomb Iran for attempting to violate it, Putin's Russia has been careful not to deliver any weapons systems that are liable to upset the arms balance in a given area. Iran and Syria have both been promised short-range air defense systems, but their requests for offensive missiles and long-range air defense systems that can be used offensively have been denied.
Even more astonishing than the emergence of Russia as a potential major arms supplier to NATO's second largest member military, that of Turkey, is the unprecedented military/strategic closeness between the two historical enemies, as demonstrated by the first-ever friendship visit by the Russian Black Sea fleet to Istanbul a few days ago, in preparation for joint maneuvers.
A major reason for the sea-change in the traditionally pro-US Turkish military was of course the detention of its special forces in northern Iraq by the US military on direct orders from ziocon lunatic Paul Wolfowitz, who had so lost his sense of reality that he thought he could "punish" a NATO ally by taking military action against it troops - all because the Turkish parliament refused to allow US troops to use Turkish soil to stage their illegal invasion of Iraq. Putin saw his chance to improve relations with Turkey and made several gestures, such as exchanging intelligence about the Kurdish PKK terrorists and remaining neutral on the Cyprus issue. This prompted the Turkish prime minister, despite being an Islamist with a natural affinity for the Chechen separatists, to express interest in joining the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, whose aim is to keep the U.S. out of Central Asia - alarmed Western commentators are calling it "the NATO of the East." Best of all, the Turkish PM apparently liked Putin so much that he invited Russia to join the Islamic Conference as an observer. Russia's Sergei Ivanov went so far as speaking of "strategic partnership."
Putin's ouvertures to Teheran, formerly a sworn enemy of Russia, were even more brilliant and astounding. He didn't sell the ayatollahs anything that they could use either to make nukes (the Bushehr power station is just window-dressing to make their enrichment plants look innocent) or to threaten their neighbors, or even to seriously deter an attack by the US and/or Israel. His conciliatory efforts during the whole crisis were appreciated by everyone. Yet, when the bombs stop falling and the dust finally settles, Putin willl be the only winner, since Iran will coming knocking at his door to rebuild its military and infrastructure, a realtionship that could very well result in a visit by the Russian fleet to Iranian ports, and why not, to a permanent Russian presence on the Straits of Hormuz - for the first time in history.
As a familiar face at the Islamic Conference, Russia could rightly hope that its military presence would not be objectionable to Iran's neighbors.
Uri Avnery has more to say on Russia's brilliant moves in the Middle East:
A hundred years ago, the whole expanse from India to Turkey was a battlefield between Russia and the main Western power at that time, the British Empire. Adventurers, spies, diplomats and plotters of all stripes roamed the area. This contest was known as "The Great Game".
In time, the actors changed. The Bolsheviks took the place of the czars; the American empire succeeded the British. But the Great Game went on.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, it seemed as if the game had come to an end. Russian influence disappeared from the region. The Soviet empire dissolved, and what remained was too weak, too poor, to take part in the game. It had no jetons.
And now, with one stroke, Putin has changed everything. Inviting Hamas to Moscow was a gambit of genius: it didn't cost anything, and it put Russia back on the map of the Middle East. While the whole world was still puzzled and confused by the Hamas victory, Putin used the sharp scalpel of unemotional logic and made the first move of a new game.
This way, the new czar of all the Russians exploited the weakness of his rivals. President Bush has got himself into a dismal position. When all the other pretexts for his bloody Iraqi adventure had evaporated into thin air, he raised a new flag: democracy in the Middle East. He imposed new elections on the Palestinians. In these elections, the most democratic one could imagine, the winner was - alas! - Hamas.
(. . .)
Bush could, of course, recognize the elected Hamas government. But how could he do that? After all, the United States has put Hamas on its list of terrorist organizations - not only its military wing, but the whole movement, including the kindergartens and mosques. Now they are caught up in the "clash of civilizations, the apocalyptic battle between the West and Islam.
(. . .)
Europe is in a similar situation. Like a mental patient in a straitjacket, it cannot move its arms. It put on this jacket itself. Under American and Israeli pressure, it put Hamas on its terror list, and thus condemned itself to total impotence in the new situation.
Putin does not laugh often. But now, perhaps, he may be permitting himself a thin smile.
Uri Avnery,"And the Great Game goes on"
The surprises don't stop there. Putin's masterful chess play has produced such unthinkable results as Sino-Soviet military exercises on a grand scale (whereas the expression "Sino-Soviet" was only used to describe border clashes or the threat of nuclear armageddon in the very recent past), the first-every joint military exercises with the Indian navy (on top of a heft military shopping list), and the Russia-ASEAN summit, to which the US was emphatically not invited, the ziocon lunatic John Bolton having caused more than enough trouble in the region.
Russia's hydrocarbon exports now exceed Saudi Arabia's but unlike the bedouin oil sheiks, Russia knows how to use its resources to its political advantage. Not by engaging in futile and self-defeating oil embargos, but by throwing the energy-hungry a lifeline, and by using the same lifeline to hang its enemies, as it has done the russophobic Orange crooks in Ukraine.
Here is an example:
When Putin broke the agreement that the Russian oil company Yukos had made with the Chinese to build an oil pipeline from Siberia to Daqing in China's Heilongjiang province, it seemed like a slap in the face of the Chinese. The sense of outrage grew when Russia announced a deal with Japan to route the pipeline to Nakkhoda, a port north of Vladivostok on the Sea of Japan.
This was, however, a masterstroke for Putin. He gained favor with the Japanese, and billions of dollars to help build the pipeline -- dollars that the Chinese had not offered. After the deal with the Japanese was signed, he then pointed out that it would be easy to build a short spur pipeline into China from the new long-distance line. He also promised to triple the delivery of oil by rail to China from 10 million tons a year to 30 million tons.
Putin has also offered to talk about selling the Chinese 20 percent of Yuganskneftgas, which had been the main production unit of Gazprom. Another Russian proposal on the table is to help build a pipeline from Kazakstan's oil fields into China and to share with China access to the Kazaks' Kurmangazy oil field. The Chinese could finish up better off for oil than they had been with the Yukos deal -- and the Japanese are happy too.
Just to complete the picture, the Russians sent Alexei Miller, chairman of Gazprom, the world's largest gas company, to North Korea last week to discuss the joint exploitation of gas and oil fields there, and pipeline routes to supply Russian gas to both North and South Korea.
So everyone in East Asia is happy with the Russians at the moment, except Taiwan. Putin stressed in Beijing that Russia does not favor independence for Taiwan, recognizes it as an inalienable part of China, and will prevent its joining all international agencies, including the United Nations.
David Wall, "Keeping Everyone Happy: Putin raises Stakes in Asia," Japan Times, Feb 2, 2005
Where the lunatic John Bolton spent his time rattling sabres at China, backing North Korea into a corner where it turned into a dangerous loose cannon, and unwittingly forcing Japan to remilitarize and prepare to go nuclear (something that the US has been trying to prevent since 1945), Putin has used Japan's money to solve Japan's energy problem as well as those of North Korea and China, and make a bundle in the process.
With its former territory Ukraine, which contains so much of Russia's energy, defense, and industrial assets, in the hands of CIA-backed russophobes, Putin has again performed pipeline magic by sealing a deal with Germany for an undersea Baltic pipeline that bypasses russophobic Ukraine and Poland, and another one with Turkey, which will make Turkey the energy hub it has sought to become ever since the construction of the ill-fated and vastly expensive Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline began. Putin has turned the tables on his enemies and delighted his clients once again. The US plans to colonize Central Asia and exploit its hydrocarbons by bypassing both Russia and Iran have been sidelined, with all the bold and enticing - for the Central Asian producers - energy moves coming from Russia and its state-controlled energy monopolies.
"The Grand Chessboard" is the name of a much-quoted book by Zbigniew Brzezinski, the russophobic Polish aristocrat who, in accordance with his "arc of crisis" thesis of using fundamentalist Islam to defeat Communism, engineered the Islamic fundamentalist Jihad in Afghanistan, assisted the rise to power of Khomeini in Iran, as well as provoked the catholic worker rebellion in Poland (all those Gdansk shipyard workers are jobless now). Brzezinski, as Carter's national security advisor, Council of Foreign Relations member, Trilateral Commission heavyweight, and Brookings Institute alumnus, was the architect of a grand US plan to conquer Central Asia and thereby to control all the surrounding countries, from Russia to the Middle East to the Far East.
So how is the Great Game going? The central piece, Afghanistan, is a hopeless quagmire for its occupiers, despite the fact that the jihadis who are fighting them receive no sponsorship from any foreign power, no $60 billion CIA funds, no Stinger missiles, no air cover from the Pakistani air force, nothing but the opium money from the narco-warlords that the U.S. reinstalled in their feudal domains.
The supporting pieces in Russia's Central Asian "near abroad" like Khazakstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan, have joined the Shanghai Cooperation Council after briefly flirting with the U.S. and NATO. Uzbekistan actually withdrew from GUUAM, the NATO-aligned anti-Russian alliance grouping it with Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova, whose name has now been truncated to GUAM. Kyrgyzstan was the scene of a "tulip revolution," where 2000 kung-fu fighters headed by strongman
Bayaman Erkinbayev toppled the pro-Russian government, an event heralded in the Western wurlitzer press as a "people revolution." Next door in Uzbekistan, an attempted coup engineered by a US-sponsored leader of the IMU Islamic terrorist organization was foiled, leading to widespread condemnations in the Western media. After the dust had settled, the US was kicked out of Khanabad Air Base in Uzbekistan and the new Kyrgyz leader, while at first demanding that the US do the same there, settled for increasing the rent for the base 100 times and inviting the Russians to set up an even bigger base 30 kilometers away.
So what about the main trouble-makers installed by the US on Russia's doorstep - what it calls its "near abroad?" I'm talking of course about Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, and to a lesser extent, Poland.
Despite all the hypocritical outcries of the "American Committee for Peace in Chenchnya," composed of the same ziocons who campaigned for the illegal invasion of Iraq, and who sponsor and fund the wahhabi terrorists of the Caucasus, Putin's policies of installing a friendly Chechen regime and forming Chechen forces to penetrate and dismantle the terrorist networks are bearing fruit. These day the only big news to come out of the region is about Russian anti-terrorist operations and the consolidation of the Russian-friendly Chechnyan leadership.
The "new, improved, democratic and liberal" Georgia of the US-educated brash "Rose revolutionary" Shaakashvili who gate-crashed the parliament in 2004 has settled down into a pattern of poverty, corruption, mafia shootouts, and a dictatorship with a distinctly fascist coloration (as reported by the British Helsinki Human Rights Group). Russia's main concern is to prevent Shaakashvili from starting a war, which he increasingly seeks in order to get the NATO backing and the state of emergency that he sees as his regime's only hope of survival.
Ukaine's "Orange revolutionaries" have of course become a joke for Russians and a huge embarrassment for their Western backers. Not only has Yushchenko managed to bring Ukraine's booming economy, which was growing at 12 percent and the stock market at 200 percent under his "corrupt" predecessor Viktor Yanukovych, to a shuddering halt, but his coalition and his "Orange" ideals have evaporated into thin air. His main ally the $11-billion gas oligarch Yulya Tymoshenko has jumped ship over a falling-out of thieves over the renationalization of a huge steel complex, which she wanted to hog for herself. Feeling isolated without the backing of Tymoshenko's fortune, her UNA-UNSO neonazi shock troops, her private army of former Spetznaz commandos, and the politicians eating at her trough, Yushchenko capitulated to Yanukovych and appointed a pro-Russian prime minister as well as pledging to halt his discriminatory and antagonistic policies against Russian-speaking East Ukrainians.
Having stolen and sold over 8 billion cubic meters of Russian natural gas stored in Ukraine's Soviet-built storage tanks, the orange crooks were finally confronted with Gazprom's bill, which they are of course unable to pay, the economy being the shambles that it is, or rather that they have turned it into. The bill will come due in the parliamentary elections this month, where pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych's party is the favorite. The "Orange" nightmare of Ukraine is almost over.
Putin's greatness is that he snatched the success that Russia enjoys today from the jaws of total collapse, to which the corrupt Yeltsin, puppet of the US/zionist-backed oligarchs, had brought Russia. $300 billion disappeared from Russian wealth into foreign bank accounts, principally those of the oligarchs whose "rights" the hypocritical West is defending today. The amount of Russian intellectual property - technology, defense secrets, art, etc. - plundered during the Yeltsin era is incalculable. What Putin and his small team of patriots from St. Petersburg have done by stopping and defeating the billionaire oligarchs, and then turning the country back to its path of greatness, is nothing short of the miracle of the Red Army's victory over the Nazi juggernaut.
The resurgence of a powerful Russia, its economy growing at 8-9% a year, its strategic command over Eurasian energy resources and routes unassailable, its military and political alliances widening daily, and its own economy and politics impregnable to US and NATO meddling, is becoming a growing support for peaceful nations at danger of being targeted by US or zionist unilateralism, as well as for all those who wish to see a multipolar world without US hegemony.
agitpapa,
I am most impressed! No really, no joke.
I thought you may be interested in some statistics on your post.
Words: 3,544
Chars (with spaces): 21,962
Chars (w/out spaces): 18,420
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Paragraphs: 67
Web links: 40 (wow! this is an all time record!)
Images: 4
Now, I am sure your analysis of Russia's discreet but formidable resurrection, under Zar Putin's impulse is impeccable, worthy of a Pulitzer, capable of turning Noam Chomsky green (see option b. below)
But aren't you presuming a bit too much about your co-newsviners? I may prove completely wrong, but honestly, how many of them do you guess (bet, if you care to) will read the full article, not to mention comment on it?
I can only figure out a few possible explanations for your Web o'Rhea syndrome (*)
a. Killing the debate by default. But why?
b. Challenging officially Prof. Noam Chomsky
c. Using Newsvine to send a message to the CIA
Which (especially if [a.]) is a pity, because you are saying many interesting things.
Another interesting note: if one clicks your Doppelgänger™ ( Task Force Urges Bush To Be Tougher With Russia ), three more Doppelgänger™ appear, and if you click on any of them , more Doppelgänger™ pop up. It's a real "newsvine", literally.
Now some common themes to many of these articles and/or links seem to be:
i. Enough with this pretence that Russia (§) is a "strategic ally" for USA. They are cutting the ground under our (US) feet!
ii. Hamas was elected democratically, but, damn, we (US) were caught with our pants down
iii. Iran is purely and simply blackmailing us: not only with this Uranium business (and you, Putin) are helping them
But most of all, those Iranians are playing with fire (who cares, really, about few A-bombs), by:
iv. Threatening to start a Petro-Euro Market by the end of March. And those f§#@ing Europeans are eagerly awaiting on the sidelines, without taking any risk, those mother f§#@ers (#)
NOTES
(*) According to WHO, a disease which is spreading faster than Bird Flu, possibly via Modem. First symptoms identified by the Irish physician after whom it has been named.
(*) Maybe, all considered, my "modest conspiracy theory" (see my post Were Soviets really Responsible for Papal Shooting? ) is not entirely hot air.
(#) Actually, this is not from agitpapa's Doppelgänger™ Plus, but from Laboratoire européen d'Anticipation Politique Europe 2020 (LEAP/E2020) . This is the summary of their report dated Feb. 15, 2006:
EUROPE 2020 ALARM / Global Systemic Rupture March 20-26, 2006: Iran/USA - Release of global world crisis
The Laboratoire européen d'Anticipation Politique Europe 2020 (LEAP/E2020) now estimates to over 80% the probability that the week of March 20-26, 2006 will be the beginning of the most significant political crisis the world has known since the Fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, together with an economic and financial crisis of a scope comparable with that of 1929. This last week of March 2006 will be the turning-point of a number of critical developments, resulting in an acceleration of all the factors leading to a major crisis, disregard [sic, probably for "regardless"] any American or Israeli military intervention against Iran. In case such an intervention is conducted, the probability of a major crisis to start rises up to 100%, according to LEAP/E2020.
Hi, agitpapa
As you noticed from the related links, Rice has finally convinced Bush that his daily medication may have influenced what he saw when he "looked into Putin's soul."
("Medication" = Bible OR Bourbon?)
"Noticed from the related links"? Are you being serious, agitpapa? My compliments were meant in earnest, but so were also my criticisms. You only seem to have taken notice of the "icing sugar" (the former), and completely disregarded the latter (the criticism). Do you seriously believe, as I have already pointed out, that anybody can be keen enough on reading your bright geopolitical insights as to click to 40 (FOURTY!!!) links? You may rightly dismiss "one-liner trolls" but you really have a very vague idea of what effective blogging is about, if you delude yourself as grossly as that. You are just lucky you have found a smart and bright analyser like me (immodest, but I can't help saying the truth!), to realize that among your exorbitant gangue, there may be a few golden specks.
Honestly, for a militant blogger, who's been on the market with more than one soul, I thought you would know better.
BTW, do you believe, like
your former namesake,
that Revolution
can be conjugated with Music?
You seem utterly unconcerned by the questions I raised (there is a narcissistic element there, I am afraid). But let me ask you this question again, at least: wouldn't you agree that it make sense that the "Iranian Uranium" business is just a smokescreen for the much more substantial Petro-Euro Market threat?
agitpapa,
The Iranian oil bourse business is a storm in a teacup. […] The Iran crisis is genuinely about nukes …[…] Nobody wants the ayatollahs to get too big for theirbritches[sic; corrige: breeches]
However the antiwar.com analysis you propose may seem rational, I am not entirely convinced, though I am no financial analyst (only, and very brightly, in the order: logic, scientific, philosophic, theological, political). They seem to disregard (you seem to disregard) that there is not only the UK, which obviously is only behaving behaving like the faithful dog of US it's always been. France and, even more, Germany are not just watching on the sidelines.
Anyway, let's wait and see.
Iconic legend
Newsvine XHML, apparently (either by choice or by temporary weakness), doesn't allow yet for images in comments.
So here is the iconic legend to my previous comment:
You know, agitpapa,
sometimes facts and even names have a logic and a "viscosity" of their own. I do not know if Pyhchon had on mind any reference to Georgy Vasilyevich Chicherin (Tchicherine is the French-style transliteration from Russian), People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs in the Soviet government from 1918 to 1930.
But it is a fact that much of the real Chicherin's political commitment, in the defence of Russian interests, especially as expressed in the Treaty of Rapallo of 1922, has striking similarities with the geo-strategic priorities you attribute to Vladimir Putin.
Ilidio just posted this: EU urges an energy pact with Russians By Judy Dempsey International Herald Tribune
THURSDAY, MARCH 9, 2006 BERLIN Russia took center stage in European energy discussions Wednesday (...) I believe that it is also in the interest of Russia to have a stable market and a stable relationship with such an important customer as the European Union." The Polish retards have isolated themselves once again with their rabid russophobia. Just like when they tried to nuke the European constitution, sent a battalion to Iraq, and let the CIA let up torture prisons on their soil.
I do share your point of view, agitpapa, in what concerns the context of this whole sorry situation, but I couldn't avoid to notice that you overlooked, to distinguish, in your quote to my post, what is actualy the post from what is your own opinion - which I'm enphasizing in bold in my own quote from your last comment.
I understand it might be too late for you to correct it, so I'm leaving this note for your future reference.
As for the business at hand, what a bloody mess where in.. indeed.
agitpapa,
you seem to have a real talent for getting the wrong end of the stick. So:
i. You entirely disregard Pyhchon's choice of the name Tchicherine, which is more than likely not to be coincidental, as that family name was aristocratic and consequently well known and rare at the same time.
ii. You prefer the Molotov-Ribbentrop parallel (you obviously did not bother reading the text of the "Treaty of Rapallo"). Ana your idea of Molotov "buying time to prepare for the Nazi invasion" is to a large extent your unwarranted guess. Fact is, well documented that two things happened instead: a. the communist parties in the western part of Europe were totally dismayed b. Stalin could not believe it, when, after having carved a nice slice of Poland and Finland, he found himself under Nazi attack.
As you praise your self on your "prophetic" talent, let me give you for free a little piece of intelligence. The real reason why ENEL, the main Italian Electrical Board, made its bid on Gaz de France, which was countered by the French decision to have Suez take over Gaz de France, and the counter-counter Italian idea of merging ENEL (mainly electricity) with ENI (mainly oil). Why? Simple: the winner will be in pole position as main partner for Russian Gas distribution throughout Europe (and not only). And the Russians would much rather deal with the Italians on the (I really hope wrong) assumption that Scumbag, if he wins a new mandate, after April 9, 2006, when the Italian General Election takes place, will be much more pliable than a French counterpart.
Et oui !
The probable pan-European compromise is already looming on the horizon: a mega-merger ENEL/Gaz de France/Suez, possibly after ENEL has receive d the "go ahead" for a preliminary merger with ENI.
But. once again, all this has got nothing to do with the real reasons for the aggressive reaction of the USA to Iran's nuclear plans, but, even more, I am pretty sure to the menace (not so much of a Iran Oil Bourse) but of a Petro-Euro Market dominated by Russia (producer/consumer) China (major consumer) including Iran's as a partner on the producer's side.
This would obviously be quite agreable to "continental" Europe.
This would obviously undercut USA, UK and hopeful Turkey too.
Et voilà !
agitpapa,
[a] Iran is purely and simply blackmailing us [US]: not only with this Uranium business (and you, Putin are helping them). But most of all, those Iranians are playing with fire (who cares, really, about few A-bombs), by threatening to start [with Putin's help] a Petro-Euro™ Market© by the end of March. And those f§#@ing Europeans are eagerly awaiting on the sidelines, without taking any risk, those mother f§#@ers [Servetus, Thu Mar 9, 2006 1:02 AM CET]
[b] You seem utterly unconcerned by the questions I raised (there is a narcissistic element there, I am afraid). But let me ask you this question again, at least: wouldn't you agree that it make sense that the "Iranian Uranium" business is just a smokescreen for the much more substantial Petro-Euro™ Market© threat? [Servetus, Thu Mar 9, 2006 12:58 PM CET]
[c] The Iranian oil bourse business is a storm in a teacup. Nobody will invest in futures contracts controlled by ayatollahs. The futures market next door in Turkey is a far bigger deal because it is under the guarantee of a UK-capital-market-approved country and has a guaranty fund. [agitpapa, Thu Mar 9, 2006 2:15 PM CET]
[d1] Petro-Euro market very possible. [d2] I think that may well be Putin's sucker punch for the yanks if they get too uppity. [agitpapa, Thu Mar 9, 2006 10:14 PM CET]
[On d1]: It is good to see how an intelligent person is capable of revising his position (in slightly less than 8 hours).
[On d2]: The date of March 20, 2006 has been pretty much declared officially after some time ( "The Republic of East Vancouver", August 18 to 31, 2005 ). The plan is just going ahead. Yanks's been uppity ever since. Uranium is just a "casus belli". Let's see how far they are ready to go to protect the US$ (and their "lifestyle", as Bush promised in an infamous speech) "manu militari". Putin is smart enough not to do anything as open as delivering a "sucker punch". He will let the Iranians go ahead, and back them up. The US know that also China (one of the main investors in Iran) is backing Iran.
[e]The Iran crisis is genuinely about nukes, [f] which Iran thought it could develop in exchange for its death-squad assistance to the US in Iraq, just like Paki got its nukes in exchange for Talibanizing Afghanistan for the CIA.
You have already revised [e], but I would really like to understand how you can possibly take seriously the logic of [f], bearing in mind that Iran is part of the Non Proliferation Treaty, and has complied wit AIEA's request even when they became obviously vexatious; whereas Pakistan is not even part of the Non Proliferation Treaty, and is obviously playing dangerous games with India.
Stalin had to write off the euro communists because if he didn't split the Munich cabal he would have to fight against the entire capitalist world. So he really put on a good act for Adolf.
Who does "the entire capitalist world" include? Great Britain + France + Italy + Germany + …? Do you really believe what you say? This is political-historical fiction, IMMO, on a par with Robert Harris' "Fatherland".
agitpapa,
I told you from my very first comment I could bet I would be the only one to comment on it (actually Louro also did, but just to put you right).
Petro-Euro: possible, you said it. The rest is repetition, and/or petty detail.
Munich fiction: are trying to tell us that Stalin knew better all along, while Franklin D. Roosevelt (March 4, 1933 - April 12, 1945), changed his mind spectacularly? Well, I may be boring (to you, mind you): you are just amusing.
Enough with this thread. I won't reply further comments.
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